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Make a liar tell the truuuuuth!

^Continuing today's theme of using hokey old superhero theme songs as post titles.

Well, I did it. I did what I said I would I refuted an argument that came up months ago. I refuted anon, a mouse's argument about the lasso of truth.

On SCANS _DAILY!

asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/409659.html#cutid1

That is my argument. Anon is welcome to refute it in his own blog, we'll link it on WFA. I will not refute his refuting, because I've said my piece, I've represented another side to the argument, and I'm content with that, and I have too much experience with internet arguments to be caught in a circlejerk. I just wanted the good readers of WFA to know there's another side. I would appreciate it if Anon did NOT come over to my blog to argue with me, when and if he sees this.  I did not do the same for him, when he first posted it, I posted a kneejerk reaction, but I hope he'll forgive that.

I also said I was going to refute Noah's argument that WW is a Mary Sue later, but I've decided not to. I think Noah pretty much dismissed any veiws opposite to his own by dismissing Wonder Woman as a Mary Sue and saying that's what fans like bluefall (and I assume myself) want her to be a Super Sue, therefore making our opinions, I suppose, irrelevant compared to his. And then he said Gail SIMONE wrote Wonder Woman as a Mary Sue, and I laughed. I'm not sure Gail's actually capable of writing Mary Sues. Not to mention the current Wonder Woman arc is dealing with Wonder Woman getting carried away with anger and making what even she admits are dubious moral choices.

You could make an argument every single superhero is a Mary Sue. It's a trapping of the genre that superheroes are omnipowerful and ultra competent and iconic. If you don't like it, fine. But don't dismiss the character and their fans because of it.

Mary Sue is a very weighted word to throw around. It's not a card you pull if you want to have a long and reasoned argument about the character, I would think. It's a card you pull if you want to dismiss somebody. By saying Wonder Woman is an author insert, or a fan insert, you're effectively dismissing that author and fan and saying the character is worthless, as they are hollow and are just an insert. Noah's done a hundred posts explicating why Wonder Woman's a Mary Sue, and if I don't feel like arguing them because I've been effectively dismissed. I am, after all, a Mary Sue lover, since I love a worthless character like Wonder Woman who is absolutely a Mary Sue.

Mary Sue is fine for fanfic. There are tons of them out there. For instance, Rose Potter is definitely a Mary Sue. Wonder Woman doesn't even come close to that. She, for example, loses on occasion. Once you start arguing actual published characters are Mary Sues, it gets, well, trickier.

Once again, I'm not trying to start an argument. I've said my piece, Noah is welcome to refute, I'll post it on WFA, but that's all I'm saying on the matter (unless Noah proves me amazingly wrong somehow, in which case, I will acknowledge this). I just wanted my two cents out there.

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nevermore999
May. 31st, 2009 05:45 pm (UTC)
No problem! You explained it properly where I probably wouldn't have been able!

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