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Oh dear God. Slut-shaming for Steph.

I run that little wiki remember? Well there's a little Spoiler fansite a girl linked to one of the Fandom pages, and I checked it and found...Steph slut shaming.

Oddly enough, I haven't run across this on the internet before. Considering Steph got OMGPREGNANT once, it's surprising I haven't heard more internet idiots saying she's a bad person because of it. But this still pissed me off.

Eww, I never even considered the possibility that Steph might be the new Batgirl. I hope they don't go that way.

She's so promiscuous and will probably just get pregnant again.

Yes. That's right, boys and girls. If you get pregnant once, you will probably just get pregnant again and again and again. Even if you, IN CANON, said you regretted your decision, if you regretted making this mistake, if you carried the baby to full term and CRIED when you had to give it up. Clearly, you will jump right back into the bed, because, OMG underage sex, that makes you a FILTHY FILTHY WHORE who just LOVES it.

The girl who runs the fansite replied like this:

All we know is that she slept with one guy. One. If that makes a person promiscuous, every being in this world is a whore.

(Well, not me, I'm a virgin) But, good point right? Unfortunately, apparently your whoreishness is not measured by the number of people you slept with, but the CHARACTER of the person you slept with. After all, falling for someone who is a jerk...NEVER HAPPENS. Or hey, maybe you just wanted to have some sex for fun, and the guy was good at it. WHORE, ONLY GUYZ ARE ALLOWED TO DO DAT.

Did you actually see the guy who got her pregnant? He made a brief appearance in an issue of Robin (Steph kicked his ass).

He's some stonerish white guy with dreads. If her standards are so low that she'll sleep with him, I find it hard to believe he's the only guy she's had sex with.

I'd argue that dating Tim has only made her more promiscuous. If she couldn't control herself before (as evidenced by stonerish white guy with dreads), trying to stay faithful to a no-sex guy like Tim has probably had a compressed spring effect on her. She no doubt goes off every so often. A dirty weekend here and there.

OH GOD, it couldn't be that she was depressed because her life SUCKED and she wanted to some comfort and Tim was avoiding her at the time? If I had a stoner mom and a criminal dad and a avoidant guy who screwed with my head, I might engage in some sex with the nearest loser to forget my troubles too too.

And I love the epic logic...staying faithful to Tim was just keeeping her WHORISHNESS INSIDE. It is READY TO COME OUT. Ignore the fact she MANAGED to stay faithful to Tim with no effort whatsoever, that she was upset when HE supposedly cheated on HER. Clearly, she defiled her body once (and kicked said boy's ass, but that doesn't mean she didn't realize sleeping with him was a mistake NO WAY)

And clearly once you have sex, you are ADDICTED TO IT and can never give it up. It like, boils inside you or something.

And oh god...a DIRTY WEEKEND. Whatta slut, having sex and enjoying it. Sooooo wrong.

Y'know what, Steph could have all the sex she wants, and it still wouldn't make her a worse person or a bad Batgirl. She'd just have to remember to use protection (and get over her Dixon-implanted issues with abortion, in case that doesn't work.)

Because guess what? Being sexually active isn't bad. Even casual sex isn't even if you're responsible about it and consider people's feelings.

So stop with the slut-shaming, stupid internet person. Steph had sex. Just because you can't get any, doesn't mean you have to be mad at her for getting some. (low blow, but he was asking for it. He was so projecting. And you KNOW it's a guy. )

Golden_tuna (girl who runs the Spoiler site) did a good rebuttal too. Here's the site: www.geocities.com/never.hide@ymail.com/home.html


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Apr. 10th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
I remember that, at CBR! I actually had a big long response typed out before I realized "oh, fuck it, the guy's a moron" and exited the page. It's just like ... what-the-fuck-ever, man.

On the upside, Cass won 50% of the votes in the poll for "who should be Batgirl".
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:05 am (UTC)
Was she first place?

Yeah, I only posted about it because it was the first time I've ever seen Steph being berated for getting pregnant, and I wanted to make my position on slut shaming clear (as if people couldn't have already guessed)
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
Yes! It was in the forums. Cass got 50% of votes, Babs 35%, Steph 15%, Beryl 2.5% and Other 2.5% (Charlie got no votes).
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Apr. 10th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think Dean was her first either, and I think she had a casual attitude toward it myself. And Dean was clearly a casual, god-I-feel-bad-I-wanna-feel-good-hey-you-wanna-do-it? type of guy. (Though at least she valued his life, which is more than I can say for him about hers, judging from the Huntress/Spoiler thing)
Apr. 10th, 2009 01:34 am (UTC)
Wow. Just... wow.

Let's see how many DCU capes I can name who are canonically bigger sluts than Steph has been shown to be, by number of partners...

In no particular order, other than the order they pop into my head: Starfire, Nightwing, Oracle (remember, she "cyber-did it" with Ted!), Batman, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Green Arrow (Ollie), Catwoman, Holly Robinson, Huntress, Grace Choi, Speedy (Mia--remember, she was a prostitute for a while), Fire... and this just off the top of my head. And without even going into the antihero and villain ranks (Knockout, anyone?).

Considering that the whole "no sex before turning 18/marriage" thing is entirely an artificial social construct, anyway, I think Steph's sexuality is quite healthy and normal. She was honestly plenty mature enough to make the decision in the first place, and she handled the consequences in an entirely mature manner.

As for being irresponsible about sleeping around while she was in Africa, considering the rate of HIV infection in some parts of Africa is actually above 50%, I suspect that Leslie would have told her that she'd have to pry a doctor's shoe out of her ass if she had sex while there...
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
Batman is way "sluttier" than Steph in every single way. Not only does he sleep with mountains of girls as "Bruce Wayne", he definitely is not committed to them at all, and some of them are decidedly not very nice people of good character. Sure, it's to keep up the act, but that doesn't make it any less real than Steph's fling with Dean.

Not to mention his thing for villianesses...

But hey, he's a rich white male, so that's okay, amirite? *rolls eyes*
Apr. 10th, 2009 02:41 am (UTC)
... that actually makes me really angry. DAMN IT, PEOPLE, STOP HATING ON MY FAVE >(

The arguments themselves are so ridiculous I'm not even going to comment. OH NOES STEPH HAD SEX ONCE! OMG OUTRAGEOUS what the fuck.
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
Yeah, like I said, clearly from a guy who's not getting any.

If he thinks in generalizations, so will I.
Apr. 10th, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)
trying to stay faithful to a no-sex guy like Tim has probably had a compressed spring effect on her. She no doubt goes off every so often. A dirty weekend here and there.

I love how that's like a totally inverted version of how most S_Ders would explain their not having had sex: Tim was totally hooking up with Kon on the weekends when off with Young Justice/Teen Titans. You know, just a dirty weekend here and there. XD
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:13 am (UTC)
Yeah, when the arguer admitted Tim was a constant virgin, I kind of wanted to burst in there and be like "'S BECAUSE HE'S GAY!" Who's to bet the guy wasn't homophobic too, and wouldn't it be fun to watch him froth at THAT statement!
Apr. 10th, 2009 07:14 am (UTC)
She's so promiscuous and will probably just get pregnant again.

This is the best.
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:14 am (UTC)
Accidental Pregnancy: An experience a girl wants to repeat as soon as possible.
Apr. 10th, 2009 12:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's a dude. A rather lonely one at that. He's probably upset that in (most likely) the only series he's ever read - Robin - Stephanie is the only person who had sex and the outcome was less than desirable. So making her Batgirl would be bad because: Batgirl never had sex that went wrong and Batgirl#2 never had sex at all (even if she was bouncing off the walls dealing with her 'feelings' for a chunk of her series).
Stephanie Brown is the first girl in history to ever be enticed by the bad boy, to ever fall for the lame pickup line, to ever believe this so called looser could be a good person at heart, "If you love me you'll sleep with me". Some girls will destroy their whole life trying to change their man, Steph left him the moment he wouldn't help save lives. She made a bad choice, THAT DOES NOT MAKE HER A WHORE!
Apr. 10th, 2009 12:35 pm (UTC)
I was sarcastic about Batgirl #1 by the way.
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:19 am (UTC)
I kind of agree with bluefall, that Dean very well might not have been Steph's first- I don't think she was committed to him or believed he loved her. I think she was willing to pursue a relationship with him, sure, but I think the sex was most likely her being depressed over her life sucking and Tim rejecting her and thinking it would lift her spirits to be with a guy who wanted her body. A casual treatment of sex makes sense for Steph considering the environment she grew up in, and it doesn't make her a bad person or a slut, just someone who was confused. And obvs she learned from her mistake.

When Dean wasn't willing to save lives, she saw there was nothing worth pursuing there at all, like the smart girl she is, and dropped him.
Apr. 14th, 2009 01:49 am (UTC)
I think you hit it on the head with the "If you love my body, you love me" bit. Doubtful that she ever thought deeply into the romance of sex either. I never thought this would be a topic of conversation at all, lol.

Just a question to all you posters out there: Who else wants to punch Dean in the face more than the moron who started the Slut-Shaming in the first place? I vote Dean first then Moron second.
Apr. 10th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
She's so promiscuous and will probably just get pregnant again.

I'm saddened for my gender...
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:19 am (UTC)
I'm saddened for both genders, honestly.
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Apr. 14th, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
Apr. 11th, 2009 05:32 am (UTC)
thanks for the back up =)
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
Hey, cool, it's you!

You're welcome!
Apr. 14th, 2009 12:57 am (UTC)
I find it awesome that every Steph related thing you find results in the person who made it commenting on your journal. StephsVoice, Steph's ComicVine rankings, and Steph's fansite off the top of my head =D
Apr. 14th, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)
We have to back our girl Steph ;)

aaand Nevermore999 does say the things we feel. Not to mention ready and willing to scream in the face of Steph-haters; from the lowly 'net troller to the big wigs at DC Comics. BOOYA!
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